cheers for the step forward. Ever since the days of napster I foresaw the day we would all own a little box that would connect to the internet and have free access to all the music in the world. Musicians like it or not, it would happen. Then the ipod came out. Then xm radio. Then Pandora.com. Then the iphone with access to pandora and youtube. It’s coming soon. I’m glad you’ve taken the step before this all happens to revolutionize how the music industry works. Honestly, I think free music will blow up the scene. I mean how can major music labels compete with top quality music being released for free? They can’t. If the underground scene makes the first move, we have a chance of grabbing hold of those money-grubbing, piracy whores who need music first.
The downside to all this is I foresee “raves” skyrocketting in price as producers like yourself don’t get money from their music they need it from their live shows. I always boast to my friends who go see one major rock concert for $200 while I see a night full of 20+ DJs from around the world for $40. I think the electronic music scene will start to equal out with that.
its interesting and hard times, but i’m glad you’re at the helm of this mr chris, i couldnt imagine anyone else foraging forward first, haha!
i used to always wish i could get some of my music onto your label someday. but ya know thats okay… im really excited to see what you are going to be doing with the revolution site, so ill just kick back yo, and lets see where we go!
Very alluring concept Chris. In a way, I’m sad to see vinyl meeting its demise…really love the medium. Never really saw (or heard for that matter) nucleuz killing hard house, but I can say most of the releases that had hardcore on them were mediocre at best.
I’m curious to see other producer’s retorts to this idea. Yeah it is nice to make money but when you’re just barely making ends meet w/ a pressing why bother? One reason why I love this genre is most people never seemed to be in it for money, they loved the music and sharing it with others.
If anything comes out of this I’d mainly like to see big record companies go down. I’m so tired of watching good bands get screwed in a contract.
To reply to Brian K – the bit about Nukleuz was really just an excuse to say the word “dongbag” which has been making me laugh all week. I have no idea if they damaged hard house, and dont really care either. I pick on them largely because they represent everything wrong with hardcore IMO. Mediocre, souless music, plus they take advantage of young artists (so I have been told by one of them) plus, because of the buddy system so inherent in the music business, many of their artists are playing big raves and getting on the compilation CDs without having done the time, or having any exceptional talent. I know this has always been the case in the music business, which is one of the reasons I dont regret the whole industry drowning in its own greed. And I am certain that when the hardcore 12″ and CD business becomes completely unworkable, Nukleuz will be gone onto other, still profitable, things. Like they did, moving from hardhouse to hardcore. Thats just business, true. But I feel the music business will be better once the business part is gone lol…
With regards to Nukleuz coming in hardcore annd gving it a bit of a shafting, weren’t a lot of the Hardcore producers doing kinds the same in at that point they jumped on the bandwagon of another popular 4/4 medium, Trance, and subjugated hardcore into making Sash-styled poppy trance shite. Instead of taking the opportunity to revolutionize hardcore they thought “if we make the music more trance sounding it will give us an foothold in another scene and the cash will come rolling back in again”. If the producers liked trance, fair enough, but if not it just smelt of hardcore producers selling their soul down the swanee. It seemed to me that as long as the money was flowing in a lot of people were happy enough to chuck out any old shit.
Sorry i think i had a salient point at the start of this rant..but then the Krononebourg kicked in..
The music industry as a whole for the last decade seem to have been afraid of embracing new technology and have lambasted it for taking money out of their pockets. Somewhere along the line things went from being a way to allow a wider audience to hear the music, to the music making money for the fatcats. The revolution is slowly trundling on behind the scenes with people making music for music’s sake releasing what they make for free online (with or without donation requests) while working a normal job to pay for making the music. Problem is the mainstream have become so unaccustomed to working that outside of a few months a year in a studio they want to sit on their arses. There’s some opinionated bollocks for you.
Anywho, I think Marillion proved that if you are making music the people want the people will support you with it, by having pre-order an album online to pay for the studio time etc to make it they managed to dump a crap label and support themselves. Admittedly the prog rock scene is probably somewhat larger than the hardcore scene but there’s a thought there.
I think you are right though, the making music should be about the music. I do like to believe in the good part of human nature and every now and then someone might surprise you and chip in a few quid as a thank you. Will it cover the costs the same way it did for Radiohead, probably not, but every little can help.
cheers for the step forward. Ever since the days of napster I foresaw the day we would all own a little box that would connect to the internet and have free access to all the music in the world. Musicians like it or not, it would happen. Then the ipod came out. Then xm radio. Then Pandora.com. Then the iphone with access to pandora and youtube. It’s coming soon. I’m glad you’ve taken the step before this all happens to revolutionize how the music industry works. Honestly, I think free music will blow up the scene. I mean how can major music labels compete with top quality music being released for free? They can’t. If the underground scene makes the first move, we have a chance of grabbing hold of those money-grubbing, piracy whores who need music first.
The downside to all this is I foresee “raves” skyrocketting in price as producers like yourself don’t get money from their music they need it from their live shows. I always boast to my friends who go see one major rock concert for $200 while I see a night full of 20+ DJs from around the world for $40. I think the electronic music scene will start to equal out with that.
ps- I always suspected you ate hampsters
its interesting and hard times, but i’m glad you’re at the helm of this mr chris, i couldnt imagine anyone else foraging forward first, haha!
i used to always wish i could get some of my music onto your label someday. but ya know thats okay… im really excited to see what you are going to be doing with the revolution site, so ill just kick back yo, and lets see where we go!
cheers!
Brandon, aka Okidam
Very alluring concept Chris. In a way, I’m sad to see vinyl meeting its demise…really love the medium. Never really saw (or heard for that matter) nucleuz killing hard house, but I can say most of the releases that had hardcore on them were mediocre at best.
I’m curious to see other producer’s retorts to this idea. Yeah it is nice to make money but when you’re just barely making ends meet w/ a pressing why bother? One reason why I love this genre is most people never seemed to be in it for money, they loved the music and sharing it with others.
If anything comes out of this I’d mainly like to see big record companies go down. I’m so tired of watching good bands get screwed in a contract.
Next year should be interesting…
To reply to Brian K – the bit about Nukleuz was really just an excuse to say the word “dongbag” which has been making me laugh all week. I have no idea if they damaged hard house, and dont really care either. I pick on them largely because they represent everything wrong with hardcore IMO. Mediocre, souless music, plus they take advantage of young artists (so I have been told by one of them) plus, because of the buddy system so inherent in the music business, many of their artists are playing big raves and getting on the compilation CDs without having done the time, or having any exceptional talent. I know this has always been the case in the music business, which is one of the reasons I dont regret the whole industry drowning in its own greed. And I am certain that when the hardcore 12″ and CD business becomes completely unworkable, Nukleuz will be gone onto other, still profitable, things. Like they did, moving from hardhouse to hardcore. Thats just business, true. But I feel the music business will be better once the business part is gone lol…
Nukleuz are Hardcore CUNTS!!!
With regards to Nukleuz coming in hardcore annd gving it a bit of a shafting, weren’t a lot of the Hardcore producers doing kinds the same in at that point they jumped on the bandwagon of another popular 4/4 medium, Trance, and subjugated hardcore into making Sash-styled poppy trance shite. Instead of taking the opportunity to revolutionize hardcore they thought “if we make the music more trance sounding it will give us an foothold in another scene and the cash will come rolling back in again”. If the producers liked trance, fair enough, but if not it just smelt of hardcore producers selling their soul down the swanee. It seemed to me that as long as the money was flowing in a lot of people were happy enough to chuck out any old shit.
Sorry i think i had a salient point at the start of this rant..but then the Krononebourg kicked in..
yeah, but wasn’t Cilit Bang pressed to Nukleuz? or is Jakazid the young artist you mentioned being taken advantage of?
The music industry as a whole for the last decade seem to have been afraid of embracing new technology and have lambasted it for taking money out of their pockets. Somewhere along the line things went from being a way to allow a wider audience to hear the music, to the music making money for the fatcats. The revolution is slowly trundling on behind the scenes with people making music for music’s sake releasing what they make for free online (with or without donation requests) while working a normal job to pay for making the music. Problem is the mainstream have become so unaccustomed to working that outside of a few months a year in a studio they want to sit on their arses. There’s some opinionated bollocks for you.
Anywho, I think Marillion proved that if you are making music the people want the people will support you with it, by having pre-order an album online to pay for the studio time etc to make it they managed to dump a crap label and support themselves. Admittedly the prog rock scene is probably somewhat larger than the hardcore scene but there’s a thought there.
I think you are right though, the making music should be about the music. I do like to believe in the good part of human nature and every now and then someone might surprise you and chip in a few quid as a thank you. Will it cover the costs the same way it did for Radiohead, probably not, but every little can help.